RE: FW: Potential Location Summit

At 04:45 PM 6/8/2002 -0700, Dan Greening wrote:
>LIF (Location Interoperability Forum) specifies carrier interfaces
>related to location, including position data, privacy, roaming. We just
>released LIF TS 101 v3.0.0, which has its primary contribution
>harmonization with OGC GIS specifications, and some new features related
>to roaming. See www.locationforum.org.
>
>WAP Forum (Wireless Application Protocol) specifies presentation
>interfaces, but in fact they have also released a similar specification
>(that doesn't deal with roaming--because "presentation" doesn't
>technically have to deal with roaming, and I'm not sure about privacy).
>WAP Forum and LIF are working to harmonize their work and arrive at a
>single standard. In fact, they both come from the same starting point,
>so this isn't very hard.
>
>OGC (Open GIS Consortium) specifies interfaces relating to geographic
>information systems, including mapping, routing, point-of-interest
>search, geocoding, reverse geocoding. LIF and OGC work pretty closely
>together. Don't ask me why this works where other relationships
>haven't, I'm not sure I've figured out the sociology of standardization
>groups yet. LIF and OGC standards are very compatible.
>
>3GPP specifies interfaces relating to the WCDMA version of 3G wireless
>communications. In fact, 3GPP's relationship with LIF has been one
>where 3GPP articulates requirements for location, privacy and roaming,
>and LIF specifies them.

Question: If 3GPP is so "open", and LIF so unbiased, why don't LIF member
companies just come to 3GPP and 3GPP2 meetings and do their work there in
these official standards fora, recognized worldwide? Why does LIF have to
do their work behind closed doors, and then just present it at 3GPP as fait
accompli?

By the same token, IETF is open to all and unbiased regarding wireless
access technologies (or any related specialized technology for that
matter. That can be hardly said for LIF, as can be discerned between the
lines of your text, though not explicitly expressed.

The Geopriv work should be done in the IETF, which has a clear record of
success and legal standing that (so far) has not been corrupted by
influence peddling by various individual companies or groups of companies.

>3GPP2 specifies interfaces relating to the CDMA2000 version of 3G
>wireless communications. LIF's relationship with 3GPP2 is not as strong
>as 3GPP, probably because not enough CDMA carriers are involved in LIF.
>(I think this is a little like SOAP and .Net. WCDMA is less proprietary
>so requires more cooperation, CDMA2000 is more proprietary, so requires
>less cooperation [or overhead, depending on your point of view].)
>
>OMA is a new organization that is trying to unify standards for network
>operators. It is working closely with lots of standardization groups.
>
>With respect to guidance for IETF, I think you can look at these efforts
>(other than OGC) as relevant when network operators (also called
>"wireless carriers", Sprint, ATT Wireless, etc.) own the portal. They
>become less relevant if operators don't control location information.
>Most of us believe that operators will control [=charge for, required to
>enable, etc.] location information for at least the next 5 years or so.
>
>Hope this is helpful. There is a lot going on in other groups, and
>privacy is a big concern for them as well. So working together seems to
>be a good idea.
>
>Dan Greening, Ph.D. CEO, BigTribe Corporation
> 330 Townsend Street, Suite 209, San Francisco, CA
>94107-1662
> greening@bigtribe.com +1(415)995-7151 fax 995-7155
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W Noerenberg II [mailto:jwn2@qualcomm.com]
>Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:19 PM
>To: Dan Greening
>Cc: ietf-geopriv@mail.apps.ietf.org
>Subject: Re: FW: Potential Location Summit
>
>
>At 10:02 AM -0700 6/7/02, Dan Greening wrote:
> >I admit to being somewhat clueless about the organizational structure
>of
> >IETF Geopriv, so could your fearless leader respond to this email and
> >let me know whether you'd be interested in attending and who might be
> >the most appropriate representative?
>
>As Bechet pointed out by referring to the charter, what geopriv (or
>any other WG) does is quite transparent. Regardless of whether
>anyone who also participates in geopriv attends this "summit", Mr
>Brynes should be encouraged to participate in geopriv, and post
>information regarding this meeting to the geopriv mailing list. It
>would be useful to the IETF to know what these other organizations
>are attempting to accomplish.
>--
>
>john noerenberg
>jwn2@qualcomm.com
>
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Received on Mon Jun 10 19:30:44 2002